We all encounter people in our lives who lie to us. Whether their intentions are to protect themselves, protect you, prevent you from knowing something, or even to cause you harm, the end result is always the same. These people may cleverly disguise these lies or even just try to retain specific information, but rarely does the outcome differ. It doesn’t matter what the purpose behind the lie is, or whether the intentions of the liar were to help you or hinder you; dealing with a liar is something we never want to do.
When was the last time you got excited because somebody lied to you? What about the last time you said “I know you lied because you were afraid I’d be upset if I learned the truth, so thanks for having my back there.”? The problem with liars is that even if they have the best intentions in the world, what they’re doing is still destroying the bridge of trust between the two of you. Their “act of kindness” is anything but kindness, and the long term problems it presents can be just as detrimental as the short term ones.
In understanding liars, we need to understand what it is that motivates them. Why do they do the things they do? The first guideline to understanding that is this:
Don’t ever think a liar is carrying your best interests.
When a liar lies, even if they actually believe what they’re doing is protecting you, the reality of things is that they’re only hurting you more and more. Telling a lie is an extremely selfish act. The liar doesn’t want to face the consequences and repercussions of their actions, so they’re banking on a lie to carry them past those. It’s a gamble. If the lie is successful, then they got away with their action as well as avoiding any negative repercussions. If the lie fails to hold up, not only are they going to face the consequences to their actions, but they’re also going to face additional repercussions for the lie too. Consciously, the liar may not think of all these factors before deciding to go through with the lie or not, but subconsciously these factors are all being processed in their mind. Factors such as the liars past lying experiences, how well they think you can perceive the truth from a lie, and what additional negative consequences will become of them if they’re caught with the lie.
It’s sort of like when you tried to hide your report card from your parents as you were growing up. If you had great marks then hey, no reason to hide that report card at all; but if those grades were less than satisfactory, you were presented with an interesting array of choices.
You could either show your parents the grades, accepting the negative punishment as it came, or you could try and lie about it. Maybe you could try and alter the grades or tell your parents your report card got lost, but either way, if you weren’t straightforward and truthful with what happened, you were gambling with your consequences. If your parents never found out about your bad grades, and you never got punished for it, then your lie was successful. You were saved from the negative consequences. If you got caught however, then you knew your punishment was about to get a whole lot nastier, and you’d probably regret doing such a stupid thing in the first place.
Reacting To Liars
That’s how most liars I’ve dealt with have operated. Everything is fine and cool as long as their lie is working according to plan, but the second you catch on or find out something isn’t right, they break down and act as if deeply regret what they did. In truth, they may actually regret what they did, and they may even feel embarrassed about their actions. If I was caught in a particularly nasty lie, I know I’d certainly feel like a fool, ashamed of my actions and of what it had done to another. Yet even if they do feel embarrassed or ashamed, chances are that’s out of their own benefit, not yours.
As easy as it is to let our emotions take hold of us, whether it’s anger, sadness, confusion, or anything in between, remember that the liar consciously chose to lie to you. I’m not advocating you needlessly blow up on someone, but just as a liar can manipulate you with their lies, so too can they manipulate you with their emotions. All too often I’ve fallen prey to this myself; getting mad at somebody for lying, and then when I see how upset they are, I instantly begin to forgive them and attempt to push the matter behind us. The problem with this though is that it sets the stage for the liar to strike again. They see that the negative outcome of their lie caused them minimal repercussions, and so subconsciously they know that if they do it again, chances are high that even if they get caught they probably won’t face severe consequences.
On the other side of this spectrum, coming down so hard on someone once you’ve discovered a lie in them may too cause even more lying in the future. Instead of lying again because they think they can get away with it, they’re lying out of fear. They’re afraid that their actions will anger you or cause something negative to befall them, and so instead of owing up to what they’ve done, they attempt to keep their actions a secret from you. This of course is just as problematic, because it still leaves the door open for future lying. It may even make you paranoid to a degree, as you’ll start to second guess everything this person says or does. Of course, what’s the easiest solution to all of this? Not to lie at all.
Now obviously different lies are going to be weighted differently coming from different people. The people we carry in our lives are sort of like investments. The more you put into something, the more it’s going to hurt as it comes crashing down. If a complete stranger told you a lie on the street, would you really even care? Chances are you wouldn’t, you’d dismiss them and go about your business. What about a co-worker you see once in a while, but not somebody who’s really close to you? What if they lied to you? If anything, you’d ask yourself why this person felt the need to lie, but it probably wouldn’t weigh very heavily upon your thoughts; in fact, it may not even weigh upon them at all.
But what if your spouse or significant other lies? That’s certainly going to cause a lot more damage than a lie from a complete stranger or someone you barely associate yourself with. Depending on the content of the lie, that’s something that could easily rock your world, leaving you stuck with a variety of emotions all at once.
Obviously a spouse or significant other is someone who you’ve invested a lot into. You’ve put a lot of time and emotion into this other person, and so when they lie to you, the emotions and consequences you face are going to be much more severe. It’s just like investing in the stock market. The more of yourself you pour into something, the more it hurts falling down.
Understanding Liars
Why do liars lie though? It’s obvious they’re afraid of exposing the truth, but why do they choose such a selfish path?
It’s safe to assume most liars are fairly immature people in one aspect or another, that is, they can’t hold the weight of responsibility very well. The person can be 10 years old or 60 years old, but they still share the common bond of being unable to maintain responsibility. At its core, that’s exactly what a liar is, someone who lacks this particular trait. When someone is described as being “mature” or “responsible,” that means they carry the ability to own up to and face all of their actions. It doesn’t matter whether an action is good or bad, the responsible person will bear the consequences no matter what. Liars lack this ability, and what’s interesting is, despite a good liar often thinking they’ve pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes, often it’s the liar who loses the most. Even if somebody manages to lie to me and get away with it, I laugh to myself when I realize that I don’t have to resort to those measures. That’s not to say I feel sympathy for liars, but having had to deal with responsibility my entire life, I can’t imagine have to resort to such tactics to deal with my problems.
The next biggest question though is inevitably “how do I deal with a liar?” When somebody lies to you, how are you supposed to react to their actions, and what do you do if you’ve caught somebody in the act?
While I was once at a point in my life where I’d easily become enraged when I found out somebody close to me was feeding me lies, now I view liars in a different light. While anger can still easily take hold of me, depending on the situation, I often use it as a means of analyzing the other person. My big thing lately has been, when I catch somebody in a lie, I don’t immediately confront them about it. Depending on how severe it is, I may wait a few days or weeks, or just not even say anything at all. For example, if someone lies to me and says they were at the movies, when in reality they were out at dinner, knowing this, I’ll ask them how the movies were just to see what response they give. It’s sort of like my way of testing their honesty, giving them one last chance to redeem themselves and tell the truth. Sometimes I can tell this makes them a bit flustered, but other times, if I’m dealing with an experienced liar, they may not even bat an eye.
Think Now, Act Later
Why do this instead of calling them out? As tempting as calling out the liar may be, doing this beforehand gives you a way of analyzing the liar and seeing how deeply rooted their lie is. If you’ve brought up the subject they’re lying about, or hinted that you may know something is up, yet the liar refuses to budge, then you know you’re dealing with the real thing. You may notice some liars are so good they can even turn the tables on you. Making you look like the bad guy, or just like an overall nosy individual. Lying is a skill, and like most skills, the more you do it, the better you get with it. An experienced liar will usually have quite the arsenal up their sleeve, so make sure you’re aware ahead of time of any potential cards they may play.
Once you’ve gathered as much information from the liar as you can, you then have to make the choice of whether to call them out or not. The reason I prefer to wait before calling them out is because it gives me some time to think over what’s happened, and to fully understand all sides as best I can. It also lets me realize that this person is not going to back down from their lie, no matter how many times I bring up the subject or how many times I hint at knowing the truth. At the same time, it allows me to better see the true colors of somebody. It lets me know they lack the courage or responsibility to stand behind their decisions, and that they’d rather hide behind a lie than expose what they’ve done.
Even when you do bring up the fact that you’re aware of the lie, the other person may still try and hold onto that lie. They’ve rooted it so deeply, that even exposing it isn’t enough to kill it. You may find yourself under fire of accusations or insults, but don’t let that sway you if you know the real truth.
When it comes to actually catching somebody in a lie, there are a million different things people have recommended you look for. Some people say their eyes move too fast, while others say they move too slow, and others still will say that the liar may avoid eye contact, while others will insist the liar makes more eye contact than usual. It all comes down to knowing the other person and picking up odd behavior they may emit. If the person is normally calm but now seems a bit tense and sweaty, then that’s a sign that something isn’t right. If the person usually looks you in the eye when speaking to you and suddenly their eyes are all over the place, that too is a sign that something is amiss here. I can’t really give any specific advice on that because it will vary for each person, and even worse yet, experienced liars may have learned how to control these signs of nervousness. Even better liars will find a way to innocently turn the topic around onto something more favorable that’ll allow them to ease up a bit.
The best piece of advice I can give in that respect then is showing you something that works on almost anybody. It’s called the 5 Second Trick, and I find it pretty unique to most strategies. The next time you think somebody is lying, right after they’ve finished telling you the lie, don’t say anything for 5 seconds. Just remain silent, and if you’re with somebody in person, just continue looking at them. If somebody is lying, this gap in time usually makes them a bit anxious, and often they’ll continue talking and giving additional details that really weren’t needed. When you look at the person, don’t give them a nasty glare, as that’ll only provoke them to question your actions, but just continue looking at them the way you always do when they speak to you. You’ll be surprised at how effective this can be.
Don't be Gullible
Finally, when it comes to liars, just use your best intuition. I’m hesitant to say “once a liar, always a liar.” but be careful who you let your guard down with. If somebody was selfish enough to lie once and they got away with it, chances are high they’ll try for a second and third time too. Even more so than that, you ultimately control the extent to which a liar can sting you. If you're careful with who you place your trust in and who you invest in, then all the lies in the world won’t hurt you. Of course, if you knew somebody was a liar you wouldn’t have invested in them to begin with, but just exercise your best caution with who you allow to carry that trust. Some people take this too far, and end up holing themselves up with emotional burden because they’re too afraid to reach out to anybody. Don’t be like that either, just be aware of how much power somebody has once they’ve gained a foothold into your trust zone.
And how do you go on treating somebody once you’ve discovered they’re a liar? That all depends on you; but just remember that if somebody was able to stab you in the back once, what makes you think they won’t do it again?
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Comments
I agree with you that liars are selfish and only have their best interests in mind. They truly are immature individuals who do not understand the consequences their lies have on people especially on the ones they love.
However, being a recovering liar myself, I am confident enough to say that we don't always remain that way. I realized after hurting someone I loved so deeply and passionately, I had to finally grow up and break this vicious pattern I created. I ultimately lost my best friend/lover/partner-in-crime/twin flame/mentor...my everything!
I felt that ridding myself of this bad habit would be a way for me to make it up to him, to prove that I wasn't this monster I created within myself. In the end, I ended up proving to myself that I was a better person than I thought! And while this special person decided to leave my life in all those ways, I gained the best feeling of all: integrity within myself.
Don't get wrong, I am sad that this person hurt me in the way they did (in fact, I was devastated for months) but it wasn't the end of the world. I realized that if they couldn't accept me at my lowest point and help me to get past it, then they weren't as special as I thought.
Your article is very thorough in helping oneself recover from being lied to but what you neglect to mention is how to mend the relationship that has suffered. Things happen, people make mistakes, and others get hurt. That is the way of life. However, I find that blocking yourself from all the hurtful things in life only limits the amount of love and compassion you can experience. In essence, you end up killing an important part of your life by distancing yourself from the one who lied to you.
Recently, I've followed a new way of thought in which I choose to look on the bright side of situations. The light of such a hurtful lie is this: the more you are hurt, the greater assurance of a strong connection to that person. (This follows along with one of the points you made about investing your time in someone.) That pain should be a driving force for oneself to mend the broken ties. While some people say you cannot fix something that has broken over four times, know that is only a limit that oneself places on themselves. Love is unconditional and has no limits so experiencing the sharp edge of a lie is not nearly as damaging as giving up on someone special.
Please do not think liars will always remain liars. There is always a light at the end of every tunnel so long as you persevere.
Your response is so selfish. You hurt someone because of your insecurities and you expect them to have unconditional love. The Unconditional aspects of love should have kept you from lying in the first place. To believe that some who is hurt from your lying is missing out because they did not stick around to help you get better is so weak. I can almost gurantee that this person stuck with you through many lies. You are only concentrating on the last lie. But what about all of the little ones, the big ones, and the ones that they don't even know about. YOU are selfish and lying is a self serving response to any problem. You may be recovering from your lying, but your selfish ways are in full effect. Until you get past this, you will find other was to deceive someone who probably deeply and truly loves you. You and other liars need to learn to love themselves, FIRST so they can stop hurting others.
I have been married to a liar for 14 years and the lies have contnued and have gotten worse. The consequences don't matter. She is remorseful but continues to lie at every chance she gets and even in unprovoked instances. Nothing I do stops the lying. Each time she is causght she promises and swaers that it is the last time. I love her deply and truly that is why I have stayed so long. This is it for me. No more, I am going to serve my self and not the selfish liar.
I don't deserve it.
tray
You are right, it is selfish. Now, I am completely aware of my insecurities that I had at the time. Please allow me to give you some background info..
I started dating this amazing guy when I was 19. (My age is important for you to note being that most of my actions I will describe correlates with age; it's not an excuse only a partial explanation.) We instantly fell in love over 4 months of back-to-back facebook-ing (while I was temporarily overseas, mind you, so imagine the time difference). The first time we met it was like 2 magnets attracting with an instantaneous connection. Everything was perfect; over time, we both felt like we'd found our better halves and so things were serious. Despite all of this my SELFISHNESS thought "hey, I have this guy, no worries" and I started talking to another guy after a year or so. STUPID MISTAKE #1.
At first, it was innocent and I didn't see anything wrong with it. The guy liked me but I thought harmless flirting was only fun and not "at all" a bad thing. STUPID MISTAKE #2.
"Amazing guy" knew better; he warned me but I didn't listen. He asked me not to text the other guy and I said I would stop, but I never did and instead I would just hide it from him...this happened 4 times. STUPID MISTAKE #3, 4, 5, & 6.
I went out to places with him--I justified it to myself because we were friends...and I sent racy photos of myself because I thought "amazing guy" was losing attraction in me (I was sooooo wrong)--I justified this one with the dumbest reasoning that it's too embarrassing to even say. STUPID MISTAKE #7 through 54869084.
Just to restate again: I never physically cheated on him, but I did emotionally (which is much worse).
Why was I doing this?? Why was I hurting the man I loved and essentially hurting myself by putting barriers between us? The answer: I liked the attention. *SELFISH ALERT* How else would I expect him to treat me after all of this? Like gold?? Why would he do that after I just treated him like dirt?
I was a complete mess for 2 months when everything went downhill. But then I had an epiphany: I need to fix myself before I expect anything in return. So I sought counseling and like I said in my earlier post, I "broke the habit", so to speak.
Of course we all know it takes two to tango, so our relationship failed because BOTH of us messed up. I don't need to discuss the nitty-gritty of relationship but I wanted to explain the reasoning behind my initial post. I believed he should have stuck around to get through the dark abyss towards the ever-desired paradise.
However, at the same time I believe if things didn't happen the way they did, we wouldn't have grown individually. I wouldn't have the opportunity to reflect on myself and ameliorate my flaws (ie: lying, being needy for attention) and likewise with him (I believe he has discovered assertiveness and self-worth to name a few). All in all, despite how painful everything was, it needed to happen the way it did. The value of what we lost needed to be high for us to want to make these changes. It took me a long time to realize this but thinking back now, it was the best thing that happened to us.
I believe Travis should also write an optimistic article on how to mend broken relationships. After all, like I said in my initial post, we are all human and we are error prone...but to recover is divine!
Take a cracked windshield on a car, for example. Keeping the crack there won't do you any good, it could spread and get worse. If the crack is small enough, you can salvage the windshield by filling it in with a special resin to make the windshield good as new and sturdier than before. If you let it go for too long, then unfortunately you have to throw away your cracked windshield and start fresh. Relationships between people are a little more complicated with other factors coming to light like the strength of connections between both parties. Each person has a different opinion but I strongly believe any relationship can be salvaged if people care enough to put in the work.
So, Tray, you're so right. You don't deserve to be treated that way. Please take my experience and use it to your benefit, if possible. I wouldn't wish anyone to deal with what him and I went through, but in hindsight it is necessary to grow. As a former liar, I apologize for what you're wife has done to you. At the risk of sounding like I'm about to break into the chorus of kumbaya...I will send my positive thoughts and energy to you.
Best wishes and thank you.
Yasmine
PS: I'm sorry this is so long, I'm just so passionate for finishing this horrible chapter in my life.
I am in quite a predicament.I am engaged to what I think is a complusive liar. At the moment this is a long distance relationship and it's quite difficult to keep track of all the things he lies about but I've managed to do a pretty good job. Unfortunately it has led me down a rater dubious path of spying on him. I'm not proud of this in the slightest and it's tearing me apart. The only way I can call him out on all his lies (some of them are pretty stupid lies) is by telling him I spy on his email, his cell bills...etc.
If I do, and I know that I have to, it will end the relationship forever. It's a difficult thing because hard as it is to imagine, I love this man very much. However, I can't continue, it's eating me up inside on a daily basis. I tell myself that when we live together, he won't be able to lie as much as I'll be right there. I really don't know what to do.
Please help.
You may want to explore why you would be willing to commit to a life with a liar. The first person you are responsible for is yourself. The first person you need to be loving to is you. Choosing to partner up with a liar is self-defeating behavior, it's knowingly choosing to spend your precious time here with someone who will only hurt you. That's not loving yourself, that's not respecting yourself, and it's not making a responsible choice. To think that living under the same roof is going to somehow change the dynamics of this liar is naive.
Re-read the article on dealing with and understanding liars, making note of the specifics like immature, unable to maintain responsibility, selfish, lacks courage... Someone who builds a relationship [or attempts to] on lies is not someone who can be trusted. Trust is not optional in a healthy relationship, therefore it is not optional to a healthy lifestyle.
Love yourself enough to set limits with any liar. Love yourself enough to make your life choices based on your long term health and happiness. Living with a liar will keep you 'paranoid and second guessing'...it will generate no end of stress, and will ultimately sabotage your best efforts and undermine your health and your peace of mind.
I have been dating a liar for only 4 months and during these times he has lied to me upteem times, promising to change each time. The thing that saddens me is that he has no remorse for hurting me and insists that he was forgetful and that was the way he talked that led to many inconsistencies. I have caught him lying, ommitting information on small and big issues many many times. It made me paranoid, second guessing myself, stress accumulating mentally and physically and basically could not relax at all. Whatever love and connection we had was lost. In the end I could not take it any longer and I broke up with him. The immaturity of the man must be taken into account. I did not know his immaturity and inability to take responsibility created so many problems for us, especially his lies. Even though I have broken up with him, I still have feelings for him and still feeling sad about the whole encounter. If only he could be honest, I often wonder but I know that a deep rooted habits is hard to change and is trying hard to move on from here.
i have a son that is very smart good looking and has a good head on his shoulder .But I find myself very angry having to deal with the day to day lies that he truly belives .He almost had me beliving his lies.my son is 38 yrs old with a collage degree and he truly belives it is my responsibilty to fully support him .Every thing that goes wrong in his life it's my fault .Is there anything that I can do to deal with this horrible life that I deal with every single day .He is an only son I work around the clock to make sure that I can pay all of my bills and his because he refusses to find a job.He's lies are getting even worse.As I put my foot down and demand he finds a job.Is there medical treatment for this kind of personality?
I have an adult daughter who lies about any thing that is uncomfortabe for her. She lives at home with her father and myself. So I know to much about whats going on. She lies in all of her relationships. Especially if she knows that what she actually did or where she actually went is going to cause a conflict. She is actually great at manipulating people to believe her, even me! Dont know what to do or how to handle it.
Hi Tray. I felt really sad when I read your comment. 14 years? omg. Is it really it for you? Are you out of there? I have been putting up with the same as you for 4 years and now I am taking some time away. You see, I have gone away before, but the lies started up pretty much straight away. He can lie without batting an eyelid. He can lie with just the right amount of sincerity so that I can never be sure- the lie isn't overly dramatic, but yet something doesn't feel right. So you just kind of think that you must be paranoid. Hell, he has even told me that I am paranoid and then a few days later I found out that I was being lied to. So here I am, alone. I have his son with me, a little 2 year old. Its so sad.
I think you should have started a long time ago to avoid that situation. What your son needs is not medical treatment, but a stern kick in the hide!
He needs to be taught responsibility.
Tray get out now or you will end up a bitter old man knowing you have wasted your life. You can't have an intimate relationship with a liar. I've tried for 30 years and it's one disappointment after another. Recently I went to a 12 step program called Ala-Non because the liar has a sibling who an alcoholic and a liar. I learned I can't change other people. I am powerless over their behavior, whether it's drinking, cheating or lying. My sickness was being generous and trying to "help" to an extreme degree, even when it was harmful to me. Now my kids are grown and I'm getting out, I deserve a happy life, and so do you. I'll still be a generous and kind person but not so gullible.
WOW...this has all been so eye opening. And therapeutic. I have been so hurt by a liar and have been having a hard time dealing with it all. I should feel blessed that it ended...but instead, I long for the love I thought was there. It's crazy. I know this man obviously doesn't love me, but I thought he was my soul mate and I thought he was "the one" so it's all been very difficult.
I went on a work trip to Jamaica for 5 days. While I was gone, I talked to him and emailed him and he told me how much he missed me and loved me. When I got home, I called him from the airport and he told me he loved me. The next morning I get an email telling me it's over and a week later he is posting things online about how God has brought him an angel and he is so in love. (he is not the least bit religious) I questioned him about the calls and emails while I was gone and he said he just told me he loved me so I would enjoy my trip. He said he planned on ending it when I got back.
I guess I'm supposed to appreciate the fact that he wanted me to have a nice trip. Never mind my feelings...
Not sure I will ever get over this one. I was totally duped!
To all liars and their minnions like Yasmine: Wow, Yasmine. Your post is proof in my homespun mantra: YOU CAN LIE TO YOURSELF.
Your post is fascinating in the weave of semantics rife with spin. You taught me something: there IS more to a prolific liar than what I woefully failed to see before your insightful posting. A lie begins as truth. Pouring over the psychopathic twisting twisting twisting, your post struck at the heart of truth; an excellent beginning filled with promise of reformation. The posting progresses into a downward spiral of role reversal, responsiblity and excusing yourself as a liar. You realize that you're lying to us; lying about others; lying to yourself. But then...you knew this. Here's a little secret: EVERYBODY knows you're a liar. How? There are people who are smarter, better educated and better read that you! Me! And others like me. As a result, your pool of victims is small. The rest of us have engaged with you in small vapid events; sized you up accurately; and gave you a graceful exit for two reasons: there is no hope of changing a lying psychopathic narcissist; and, we have better things to do than engage with the likes of shallow debased liars. Liars lift their skirts right up over their heads and leave them there, Yasmine; further evidenced in the oxymoron you employ "reformed liar." Yasmine, you are incapable of reformation and lying is a part of the disease of narcissism. For anyone to lable you and the likes of you so kindly as "self-centered" is to call a whale a minnow. But then, you understand that, too. We can only say "Carry on, Yasmine, as this is the only way you will ever know how to live." Reformed Liar. How hilarious is that?! It should be on a Tshirt!!
You know what? The only person who actually makes sense here is Yasmine. I see people attack her views and beliefs and I think it's very sad. Who says people can never change?? Who are you to assume such a falacy? If she says she's changed then she has...of course her actions must prove it as well. I've been lied to in the past and I know it hurts but to never forgive is a hindrance of our own that we allow such people to envoke in us. Things happen, stuff goes down, but then you grow up and get over it but not necessarily hide from the pain but moreso you learn from the pain, forgive, and move on with or without those who hurt you. (that's a personal choice one must make on their own.) Honestly, all I have to say is thank you, Yasmine, for taking a chance to understand where you were wrong and correct it because frankly, not many people have that kind of mentality and spirit. (And screw all you dim-witted Neanderthals!)
Is it normal to be angry when you know someone is lying to you over and over, and yet they think they're right?
I live with a man who lies about everything, big and small things..i cant tell anymore when he's teling the truth..!!
Even when I find out what the truth is and I confront him, he will be denying everything and making me look bad by telling me am crazy and paranoid...he's never sorry for anything and will never admit anything!!
he thinks highly of himself and everyone else is below...
I recently found out he cheated on me..I waited some time to tell him I know, but then he was acting like he doesnt know what am talking about..when i showed him evidence(photos from his phone...yes he took pics!) he didnt know what to say..he started telling me how much he loves me and it was a mistake, he was not supposed to be there blah bla bla..and then not even a week later he starts lying again!!
All of you liars out there, I hope u burn in hell!!
p.s. kayla and yasmine is the same person, lame..
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